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Unread postby oxymoron » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:27 pm

steve1633 wrote:ballsy, if most universities in the country are bent on turning their students into liberals than how do you explain the long standing moderacy of America? How do conservative candidates win anything if most colleges are just liberal mills?


Because the polls were rigged!!!! HA HA!! ballsy just proved it, either that or he is wrong!
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Unread postby WeaponOfMassInstruction » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:53 pm

oxymoron wrote:
steve1633 wrote:ballsy, if most universities in the country are bent on turning their students into liberals than how do you explain the long standing moderacy of America? How do conservative candidates win anything if most colleges are just liberal mills?


Because the polls were rigged!!!! HA HA!! ballsy just proved it, either that or he is wrong!


Not every student is 'brainwashed' by the Leftist propaganda that permeates many colleges. Some students are able to keep their personal views out of the discourse- unlike some of their instructors apparently (*cought* Ward Churchill *cough*)- and go with the flow in order to avoid being penalized for their views. Some students seek degrees in which the exposure to liberal nonesense is limited. And a favored few have instructors that don't see to indoctrinate when they teach.

Where the institutionalized liberal bias comes into play is with certain professions and the education that is required to gain degrees in them. Look at journalism schools at the finest institutions like Columbia. The Columbia School of Journalism is a fastrack program to becoming a media elite these days. If you're looking for a job at one of the (formerly) great newspapers such as the NY Times or Boston Herald, you want that Columbia J-School degree on your resume. The sad fact is that the J-School is perhaps the most liberal school in one of the country's most liberal colleges. That being the case, you're not going to be exposed to dissent very often (look at how Columbia treated the Minutemen spokesman last month) so you're going to be educated according to a very strict and rigid liberal- almost communistic- dogma.

Schools of education are going basically the same way. Textbook writers, having grown up (to the extent they have) within the liberal environments of their elitist colleges, construct their tomes in such a way that WEB DuBois gets more space in a US history textbook than does Thomas Jefferson or George Washington. They are able to foist of a celebration of multiculturalism and diversity as history, doing the students a huge disservice in the process because there is too much fact they don't learn and much of what is taught isn't factual. Students that undergo this particular brainwashing have little choice but to emerge as junior Leftist revolutionaries, thus ensurng no better for the poor kids that they, in turn, educate.

So the end result is that the people who report the news and educate our kids are almost invariably liberals, thus shaping opinion via their ideological viewpoint. Some few are able to rise above ideology and do a good job in their respective fields, sticking to the facts and encouraging the one diversity that really matters: the diversity of opinion. Unfortunately, those that are good are far outnumbered by those who are not so good....and we pay the price.
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Unread postby oxymoron » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:16 am

WeaponOfMassInstruction wrote:
oxymoron wrote:
steve1633 wrote:ballsy, if most universities in the country are bent on turning their students into liberals than how do you explain the long standing moderacy of America? How do conservative candidates win anything if most colleges are just liberal mills?


Because the polls were rigged!!!! HA HA!! ballsy just proved it, either that or he is wrong!


Not every student is 'brainwashed' by the Leftist propaganda that permeates many colleges.


I know. I skimmed through a book titled South park Conservatives and it showed that the amount of conservative students were rising, at least it seemed that way in the statistics. I don't really think ballsy proved or disproved rigging of the polls. I don't know for sure if colleges are "liberal mills," but it is plausible, assuming all those rich liberals out there who like to show off their degrees.
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Unread postby steve1633 » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:52 pm

The fact remains that most Americans are moderate and the number of people who do tread significantly to one side or the other is equal both ways. Obviously these schools are not turning a noticeable amount of people into flaming liberals. I suppose if it makes you feel better you can assume that they are attempting to convert us all into comunists but are simply inept (probably lazy pot smokers since their liberal) but the political reality of America just doesn't support the idea that there are any more schools working to create liberals than there are schools working to create conservatives. I personally have attended two state universities and one state JC and one of them (humboldt state in northern california) is extremely liberal, although the institution is liberal because it is extremely focused on environmental awareness and activism this obviously attracts mostly left leaning people so the campus is just a big group of liberals, but the other two (central michigan university and fullerton college) are both moderate and possibly right leaning. In the sciences at both you will find your fair share of liberals but in other programs and especially the political science and history departments both those schools were slightly conservative if anything.

And history books are a joke from kindergarten on up. Their main objective is to dillute any of the mistakes made in American history and highlight the succeses. Just look at the fact that our youngest kids are still taught that Colombus discovered America when, in fact, he never set foot in what we now call America. Also, my highschool American history textbook dedicated a whopping section of a chapter to the vietnam war, essentially telling us that the vietnam war was America fighting the scourge of communism, then lots of americans got mad, then we left. Textbooks aren't left or right leaning, they're America leaning. Whichever direction they need to fudge history in to keep up America's image they do it. It's a shame.
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