Clinton/EJ Dionne

[WeaponOfMassInstruction]

As Zell Miller famously said, "I didn't leave the party (Democrats); the Party left ME."

There's very little room for a conservative in the Democrat party these days. Look at Joe Libermann: he votes 90% with Democrats but that isn't good enough for them.

I doubt Truman, JFK, Henry Jackson and others would recognize the current ideological positions espoused by the modern Democrat party. Modern Democrats have much more in common with Josef Stalin than John F. Kennedy.

Oh...and fly: I don't object to Democrats personally- I object to Democrats' POLICIES. A very big difference and one that very few on the Left seem to recognize. Democrats aren't the problem- radical-liberal-Blame America First-appeasement minded Democrats ARE THE PROBLEM!
It's not my fault that describes a bit more than 99% of the Party right now.

You see, I don't have those ideological blinders on that cause me to agree or disagree with someone soley because they have a little "R" or "D" behind their names. I'm not that shallow. Your positions on the issues, not your person, are what matters to me.

I typically deplore Bill Maher's opinions. However, when he was one of the very few on the Left that backed the President's support of Israel over the Hezbos in their conflict, I was very quick to credit him with being intellectually honest. Maher was able to set aside his personal loathing of Bush to recognize that, in this one instance, he got it right. How could I not do the same for Maher?

[flyohiou]

there is a considerable difference between a classic and a modern liberal. Modern liberals are what is wrong with the Democratic party nowadays; I submit that John F. Kennedy, while certainly not perfect, was a better man than to say the type of stuff you hear coming from the mouth of Howard Dean, Jim McDermott, or even his kid brother.

neither the democrats or the republicans are the same party as they once were. it's not just the democrats. the republican party is nowhere near the same party as they once were. republicans were once the small government party. i think we can all agree that is not the case anymore. eisenhower, reagan, goldwater...even george jr has completely different ideals than his father.

Democrats aren't the problem- radical-liberal-Blame America First-appeasement minded Democrats ARE THE PROBLEM!

the far left is just as ridiculous as the far right. the answer is always somewhere in the middle.

where does it say that?

i took that to mean he is affiliated with them in some way. do i have that wrong? either way, my point was that bernie worked for the mainstream media

[Attilathehungry]

i took that to mean he is affiliated with them in some way. do i have that wrong? either way, my point was that bernie worked for the mainstream media

Gee, fly. That makes perfect sense. But wait!

They also had this:

and this:

and this:

So I suppose any reasonable person would automatically discard those as just links to major news sources and instantly presume those must indicate the host's resume.

So I'd guess by your logic that Bernie was a Colonel in Public Affairs for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation before it gained independence from the BBC?

[flyohiou]

ok. whatever. i'm sorry i don't know bernie's 40 year work history. he also has "real sports" on there and that's not a "major news source" (not that the DoD is either).


this has nothing to do with the discussion. you're just being a dick to be a dick.

[Attilathehungry]

this has nothing to do with the discussion.

Do you mean this discussion, fly?

by your logic, bernie couldn't be on the right because he has worked for nbc.

bernie worked for cbs btw.

Most logical people would pause and actually check this information out. But not you, fly. Instead you hopelessly pressed on with:

right now, he has nbc on his homepage. maybe you should roll your eyes at him

where does it say that?

he was with CBS for 28 years. if he did anything with nbc, i'm not aware of it, and it wasn't as a salary employee.

Finally, a somewhat dim lightbulb appears over your head:

took that to mean he is affiliated with them in some way. do i have that wrong? either way, my point was that bernie worked for the mainstream media.

HMMMM! Sounds like it had everything to do with the previous discussion. Oh and I love the way you shifted your talking point from NBC to the "mainsteam media". That's kind of like idiotically proclaiming that Germany bombed Pearl Harbor in Guam in 1939 then amending that to an Axis nation bombed a major American naval port located on a Pacific island sometime during WWII and proudly proclaiming "See, I'm still right". As if nobody wouldn't really notice.

you're just being a dick to be a dick.

Continually pointing out that you don’t know what you’re talking about and having a little fun ridiculing you for being so ill-informed is not really the definition of a “dickâ€

[Jeffreydan]

Don't worry, Attila. Fly will probably just use one of those excuses he's used before, where he personally defines something differently, so therefore he's not wrong after all.

[flyohiou]

Do you mean this discussion, fly?

no, i mean the ideology discussion. the speciffics of which company bernie sat at his desk is irrelevant

[WeaponOfMassInstruction]

fly-

No, it is very relevant.

You're stating that various on-air personalities on Fox have right-wing biases, yet when I point out that they formerly workred for other, more "traditional" (read: liberally-biased) networks, their ideology was either unknown or suppressed, only to flower into right-wing mode when they went to work on Fox.

You are also pathologically unable to recognize the institutional liberal bias of the MSM when it is readily apparent even to those in the MSM that such a bias exists. You're clearly in denial over that truism.

I don't care what your ideological leanings are. So long as you can report a story with NO slant, either left or right, you're doing a fine job.

I'm old enough to remember Walter Cronkite as anchor of CBS' Evening News. Not exceptionally well, but more than vaguely aware of him and his reporting style. I always considered him a very straight-shooter when it came to reporting the news, to the extent that I had really no idea what his politics were. That's the mark of a truly great newsman. Once he had retired from the news business, he's exposed himself as being among the most far-left "mainstream" people found outside Hollywood and San Francisco. He makes Al Gore look like a centrist. But he was able to keep that agenda hidden when it came to reporting the news- in short, he did EXACTLY what he should do. The current crop of pretenders to his throne could learn a great deal from him.