Is it possible to live outside of society?

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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby Phinehas » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:53 am

Living in International waters would be the only way in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_colonization
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby robin in fl » Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:59 pm

jessie

I think there is a way to live ouside society ..there are both exteme ways and subtle ways.it may be a bit harder to live the extreme way now,i am talking about the way Will Mclean did in florida.he lived outside society just fine.and quite well, one with nature.if you watch the movie Into the wild ,you will see it does not work out so well for others.

many people now,and always have chosen to live 'outside' on a less extreme way and do just fine .It all depends on how far outside society you are wanting to live.

i OD'd on people a few years ago and opted out of society for the most part.I did it the way which was best for ME..so i would suggest at first you you find what your comfortable with doing and and how you want to live.

I do not use a cell phone at all.a land line is good enough for me.besides the fact that i could not get a signal out here.if you want your own food to grow then you need a piece of property ,so that would be your first goal i would think.i bought my property and love a reclusive lifestyle (so do a lot of writers ,not that i am one)...i live well within my means but i do need electricity ,this is FL and i may live more reclusive then many people i must have AC and hot water....i am not much into this whole technology thing, though i do have a computer. As i mentioned, it will all depend on YOUR comfort level. So read some books on it and speak to some people that actually do or have lived in a more reclusive way.

too many people it's a matter of greed ,not need now a days ..i am quite happy only leaving my sanctuary once or twice a year now.in fact I love it.anything i need is delivered to me. and i do just fine .so it may depend on your age and if you can buy some land (even a small piece say like a few acres)..to me ,land was a must..i have always had to own my own land ,be it big or small.but just figure out first what will work best for you ,then take it from there,and take the time to figure it out.what works for one person may not work for another.good luck.


the young man this movie was about died trying to do it ,,lovely song though mr vedder wrote about living ouside society

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouANEo2w0Pg

Society lyrics
Eddie Vedder (Into the Wild) song lyrics


Oh it's a mystery to me.
We have a greed, with which we have agreed...
and you think you have to want more than you need...
until you have it all, you won't be free.

Society, you're a crazy breed.
I hope you're not lonely, without me.

When you want more than you have, you think you need...
and when you think more then you want, your thoughts begin to bleed.
I think I need to find a bigger place...
cause when you have more than you think, you need more space.

Society, you're a crazy breed.
I hope you're not lonely, without me.
Society, crazy indeed...
I hope you're not lonely, without me.

There's those thinkin' more or less, less is more,
but if less is more, how you keepin' score?
It means for every point you make, your level drops.
Kinda like you're startin' from the top...
and you can't do that.

Society, you're a crazy breed.
I hope you're not lonely, without me.
Society, crazy indeed...
I hope you're not lonely, without me
Society, have mercy on me.
I hope you're not angry, if I disagree.
Society, crazy indeed.
I hope you're not lonely...
without me.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby flyphish56 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:00 am

It takes a certain a-social or anti-social bent in a person's psycological make-up( this is pure conjecture on my part), but there are people who do it quite well up here in Alaska.
An excellent example of this is the story of Ed Proenneke. He lived completely isolated except for ocassional airplane visits in the summer months. He did this for 30 some years and produced some magnificant 16mm film footage of the building of his log cabin and of the surrounding country and it's wildlife.
Look him up on line. He was a very interesting man.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby Jrutledge » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:27 am

Jessiehegland wrote:I hate how money orientated it is, and how now we have things like technology it's almost a crime not to use them... but I really would be happy/happier without all this stuff. The question is, is it even possible to get away from all of it?

I can only speak to the first part of your post, regarding technology. Some years ago it occurred to me that if I wanted to live as my father did (a farm boy in Oklahoma), or as his father did (a farm boy in Missouri, with no electricity) I could. It might be difficult, but it could be done. My ancestors managed to survive with little-to-no technology, and my existence seems to be proof of their tenacity. If you want to live as people did in 1850, you can do that. If you want to live as people did in 1900, you can do that. If you want to live as people did in 1950, you can do that. Your standard of living will likely not match 'The Wives of Beverly Hills', but you can still get by; and chances are you will be happier. I think that new technology should be viewed extremely sceptically, and we should only accept new technology that actually helps us, and does not diminish human connections. Just because something is faster, doesn't mean it is better. I am a bit of a Luddite, and like Robin I do not have a cell phone. I don't even have a wrist watch. Sometimes simple is better.

Jrutledge

p.s. I think Robin's advice regarding the ownership of land (no matter how small) is absolutely correct.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby Phinehas » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:24 am

Nobody owns land, you have to pay taxes or it is taken away from you. So based on the parameters the op suggests, the only way to be truely self sufficient and escape the grasp of society and money, International waters is the only current way you can do that.

This of course takes money to get there but that is the only place that still exists where this could be done.

There are large scale options such as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading

and a different point of view on Seasteading...http://timothyblee.com/2010/08/26/the-p ... asteading/


Then there is the more individual option:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... tinsti-20/
http://anniehill.blogspot.com/
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby robin in fl » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:31 pm

fly ,i believe alaska would be a beautiful place to do this sort of lifestyle in ,i may not have the tenacity to do it in such an area,but i'm sure some do and have.
i mentioned to what level the OP wanted to take it to ,i mean i chose reclusive a few years back because i was ready for it.i opted to step out of society.to be honest i just had grown tired of it.the silence here may drive some quite mad..i happen to LOVE it.i can spend hours outside and never see a car,or perhaps one or two at times if i am up front.i have a huge sign on my front gate that read "unless you have an appointment or an invitation DO NOT ENTER..you have been warned" :shock: ,i think it gets the point across quite nicely,much better then a generic do not enter sign,or private property one.the pack of hounds at the gate may be a deterrent also.

so if the op is just looking for a reclusive lifestyle it's easy enough to set a goal and do it.though if he wants to live like the Amish or Mennonites with no electricity ,that would be a bit harder,i would think.at least for me it would.being reclusive is one thing,being totally self sufficient is another.i have plenty of room for a garden here if i were to want one,but i so far have opted for woods,and flowers and tropical plants.i wanted to create a santuary and that is just what i did.it kept me sane.i know when i do my midnight walk abouts every evening with my hounds i am safe here.sure we have black bears or whatever comes through ,but i have never heard of a bear attack here and am quite use to wildlife. :)

jrut,,i don't have a watch either..no need for one now.the only thing i knew i must have is land.this may be because i remember scarlett o'hara's father telling her land was the most important thing..yes ,gone with the wind,loved that movie!

i bought this land with an old house in a small town with a 10 year mortgage on it and paid it off in 10 months instead of years.3 years later had the house torn down and put a mobile home on it instead..that worked for me.then i just checked out of society for the most part.some didn't get it and some did..wasn't up to anyone but me to get i said..it is what it is.and i like it and needed it.simple as that.

the OP just needs to do a bit of research before he decides what kind of lifestyle he is seeking,have a plan and work torwards that plan when he is sure.no matter what choice he makes,it will take some sort of money to do it though..even if he lived in a tent,he would have to buy a tent and supplies .if all he wants is a temporary reprive from society ,then he should do it on a lesser scale and see how he likes it before doing it.

living on water would NOT work for me.I'm afraid of pirates ;) and love being able to walk around in the woods.I'll opt to OWN land.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby Phinehas » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:23 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534vvTOj ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7jxFbscIJY

I guess people could go out in the middle of one of the larger national parks and just squat or be nomadic and stay hidden, which may or may not be easy to do. You would really have to acquire some skillz to go mountain man though.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby robin in fl » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:01 pm

i guess if i had to be pretty much self sufficient here i could be ..i mean i have a river close enough so i could fish,i have plenty of deer and turkey in the woods around so i could hunt if i had to(though i would not enjoy killing a deer,if i had to i would do it)...i have plenty of space for a garden/fruit trees...if i ate eggs i could even have chickens,,i could also get a generator if need be..but so far i don't do those things,bbut it's good to know i have the option if i had to.
i already own guns and know how to use them,so hunting would be an option,if there were no other way.

some can survive and know how,some do not and wouldn't have a clue.i am one of the few in my family that would probably be able to be a survivalist such as i am speaking of.so far i have not taken it to that extreme.

i already do a lot of holistic and natural medicine and no i am NOT an old hippie..though i do like the vintage clothes.

one could just live the nomadic life in a state forest as phine mentions,i do know many do that in the state forest that is not so far away.i saw that on the local news,but that can also be a dangerous life style,because one does not know what type of people are also out there.

as with any major life style change the best advice i can give anyone is research before you decide...you will then know if you are ready and if it's for you and to what level... i just know that if i were ever to have to live in a deed restricted community i would go quite mad..or an apartment for that matter.it would be comparable to locking up a feral animal.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby charlie johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:20 am

I just decided to read here.So It will take some time to read all the post I have tried to do this same thing.It is very difficult. If you have plenty of money you may last awhile but even a bear has a hard time living off the land today..Everything is under control of clerks.The clerks do little else but study on how to make this world all inclusive.They have unlimited funding. Things change rapidly,Once you opt out you begin to fall behind on what the inclusive society is doing.You are looked upon as a hillbilly. It is like escaping a giant octopus .Very difficult. You are out of harmony with the masses of fools. A lot of Vietnam veterans tried to get out of the system after the war.Many moved up to Alaska,Some went to Austrailia.Some just moved out into the wilds of America.The original native have trouble living this way now,Without a gambling casino they could not survive. The kingpin of life in this age is money.Everything has a price. Many farms are abandoned in these times. The cost of living exceeds what is required to live outside the big cities.You keep hearing of the need for education.It is because the system is based upon education. A scam education to join the club.It is designed to keep the ignorant from independence.The ignorant are useful to the educated as a source of energy.Or more as a tool of energy.The people on food stamps are tools and useful to the educated. If a number of people went down to live in the jungle of South America they would be missed.Even those who live on the streets of big cities.They have a purpose.The powers that be want them there not down in a jungle. Back in the time of Carter there was a congressman who went to Guyanna to get his homeless former drug addicts back home. But they drink poison coolaide.Those kind live on the streets of big cities today.They serve a purpose to those who have influence. Ted Kennedy made a long career at the trade. He left the planet with a pocket full of money and the Pope sold him a ticket to Heaven. As Jews are smart.I tried to get Mister Goldberg to lead us to a colony on an abandoned Pacific island. I guess the idea had no appeal.Besides .There are powers in the world who would take offense to any group rejecting their system. So the island would see an invasion of the clerks to put and end to the experiment.After eight years in an attempt to opt out I decided that my only alternative is just play along and wait to see if Jesus comes back. They will get you anyway you go.
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Re: Is it possible to live outside of society?

Unread postby charlie johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:06 am

I might add here.Those who promote the idea of survival living and do well at it are the ones who profit and make money in the trade.Then there is a magazine along those lines called Backwoods home mag.It is useful and informative. The guy seems to do well in that mode because he makes a good living promoting this way of life. The real experts are the natives that were formerly isolated in a big jungle down in South America.In recent months they have contacted the civilized in the area and seem to be unhappy campers, Wood harvesters and drug gangs have invaded their territory and upset their way of survival. This is a good indication of the times we live in now.The forces opposed to natural living are shoving artificial living upon defenseless people.>>THE IGNORANT << Notice the system that confronts us are known as the smart?They have all the money on their side and if you want a pleasant life you have an option of going for the gold.First step? A college diploma. You may not be aware that Al Gore lives the good life because he has education.He did very well calling for the rest of us to live the life of the ignorant.Michael Moore has collected 50 million by being the advocate of the ignorant.Snake oil may not cure the ill consumer but it is good medicine for the $ale$man.
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